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- Road Runner 2017
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- Darras
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- Equilibrium
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Thanks Darras
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- Equilibrium
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- nebc100
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- John C
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- Darras
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Equilibrium and yes. 
NEBC - failed miserably, the roads are a free for all.
Never mind trailers or caravans, it’s the
in camper vans that get up my goat. They should be dragged out of their vehicles and shot at the roadside. 
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- Road Runner 2017
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- nebc100
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It is interesting that you say "it forced some people into smaller cars to tow a heavy caravan/trailer"
Here in Luxembourg, the rule is VERY simply... if you don't have the E license, your are permitted to drive your vehicle + trailer up to 750Kg. If you want to tow MORE than 750Kg, then you need the E license.
In theory, the E license does not push people in to smaller vehicles, as there is still a limitation on what the vehicle is permitted (by the manufacturer) to tow safely.
It simply means that, for example, if someone has a D3 (MAM 2700Kg). This would permit that person to tow 800Kg trailer even though the D3 is permitted to tow 3.5Tonnes. If they want to tow more, then they would have to do the E license.
If they needed to tow more, they could reduce the weight of the tow vehicle... for example:
Discovery Sport has a MAM of €2450, so a driver would in THEORY be permitted to tow 1050Kg without having the E License. Note: The DS is permitted to tow 1800Kg.
So... in my opinion, the E license has not really "pushed" anyone in to a smaller vehicle or if it has, it has not caused any safety issues, but it HAS meant that a driver that has only ever driven a Ford Fiesta for their whole life, is not able to go out and purchase a Dodge RAM, and shove a 3500Kg Caravan behind it, and then rush off to the lake district with it, try to get round turns that they cannot navigate, and then be surprised when they cannot manage.
Drivers honestly SHOULD have training before they are let out on the roads with larger trailers.
My opinion is that it doesn't necessarily have to be a "license", but SOMETHING should be passed to ensure that a driver is capable of handling what they are driving.
I would not want to go out a jump in to a Semi and start driving that down the motorway. I am sure that I know HOW to drive it, but I don't have the license.
The same goes that I would not want to drive a coach with 80 passengers in it...
I have horses at home, and I often have to use my D5 for towing. That is the MAIN reason why I have had Land Rover vehicles (D2, D3, D5, RRS, FFRR) because I want to make sure that I am towing WELL within the limit of the vehicle. AND... I did my E license when I was 20, and so I know that LEGALLY I am permitted to tow everything up to 3.5 Tonnes, and that I have had the necessary training to know how to do it. The rest comes from experience.
Having said that... there are people that have been towing for 20 years, know EXACTLY what they are doing, but don't have the E license. Even though they are not LEGAL, I will not say that they should be BANNED, but I DO think that they should have some form of "test" to show that they are capable.
For example... would you want an unqualified person to teach your kids in school, or run you country (Oh... sorry... that is already the case!!)
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- Equilibrium
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Boris is reshuffling the Cabinet today, I hear Darras is a contender for Minister for Tolerance and Peaceful Coexistence
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- nebc100
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Darras wrote:
NEBC - failed miserably, the roads are a free for all.
Never mind trailers or caravans, it’s the idiots in camper vans that get up my goat. They should be dragged out of their vehicles and shot at the roadside.
Sadly, I agree with you here. I find that the standard of driving is going down every year.
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- Darras
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Equilibrium wrote:
Boris is reshuffling the Cabinet today, I hear Darras is a contender for Minister for Tolerance and Peaceful Coexistence
Dominic got the very job I was after, Hell mend him.
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- FastLaneJB
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I don’t see this making any difference. I passed my driving test in November 1996 so already was able to be a menace with a caravan without an additional test.
Thankfully though I’ve been responsible, watched a YouTube video on it to bring myself up to expert status. I’ve also ordered a Discovery with all the computer chips assuming they can get their hands on some so it should be able to control the caravan snaking for me.
As a question though. With the D300 engine will I be able to tow 3,500 kg at 130mph or is the extra weight going to force me to slow down a little?
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- nebc100
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- FastLaneJB
- Member Since: 29 May 2021
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I’m always deadly serious… apart from when I’m not
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