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- Wolfpack
- Member Since: 25 May 2019
- Location: Norfolk, UK
- Posts: 567
I agree with every unique selling point that has been made..
My post was that the “Discovery”has got the worst name for reliability and therefore the NAME is tainted.
By all means come up with a replacement that delivers everything the Discovery delivers …..but change the name and improve its reliability. Don’t just call it a Discovery 6. -
- DieselRanger
- Member Since: 12 Oct 2017
- Location: God's Country, Colorado
- Posts: 811
Discovery is as iconic a Land Rover name as Defender and Range Rover. It's a fine name.
LR suffers from the Original Sin of Lucas Electric haunting its name - and so every little electrical hiccup, which literally every other brand and model suffer from as well - conjures the past, and this is magnified by premium segment buyers not wishing to deal with bugs that resolve themselves if you just turn it off and turn it back on again. Land Rover is more reliable than Jeep by massive amounts, regardless of what Consumer Reports and JD Power say, if you break down the *types* of problems reported.
The ZF transmission is bombproof. It's used in literally *everything,* including the hallmarks of luxury performance SUV reliability, the Porsche Macan and Cayenne. Has anyone with a modern land Rover ever had a transmission failure that left them by the side of the road?
The Si6 petrol engine that was the majority of sales in the US until the Ingenium MHEV line came out was the most reliable non-V8 engine JLR ever sold here. The Td6 engine was good enough to use in Ford F150 pickup trucks, but most buyers chose the petrol V8 as Dieselgate dropped the People's Elbow off the top rope on light-duty diesel sales, driven by California all but banning diesel passenger cars as a result. That engine fell in that category while much larger ones in the half-ton and 3/4 ton pickups got exemptions as they are the backbone of work truck fleets. If you can't sell it in California, you can't sell it in the US.
That brings us to the SD4 and 4cyl Ingenium diesels. People who bought these engines generally do not drive them as diesels should be driven. They were sold a fuel efficient small engine in a luxury SUV, suitable to school runs and groceries in the lap of luxury, with the confidence that you can green lane and have some light adventuring should the muse move you. These engines are not suitable to short around-town trips. No modern turbodiesel with a high pressure fuel pump, SCR and DPF is. You will destroy the engine and/or emissions systems, and the HPFPs will fail, and on repeated very short trips and trips with stop-and-go driving, the oil will never come up to temp and the start-stop system will only intermittently circulate oil to things like the turbo and throughout the crankcase. And that will lead to rapid and premature engine wear and failure. One can point to decades of emissions and tax schemes putting too much emphasis on shrinking turbodiesels creating an incentive structure for consumers that pushed these engines into the market but that's a different discussion entirely.
To me, the ideal combination for an adventurous SUV is a range-extended EV with a diesel generator. The generator puts electricity into the battery (which can also be charged externally), the battery powers electric motors for traction. The vehicle can run on battery alone for short trips without the genny kicking on, until the battery runs flat, at which point the genny can be used to charge it. Or for long trips, press "trip mode" and the genny can run while the vehicle is in motion, extending the range of the battery. Mountains of torque for driving, zero emissions for most round-town trips. The genny can be tuned for optimal constant power and torque for electricity generation at rest and under load, with an emissions system optimized for a very narrow operating range, exactly as the locomotives that move thousands of tons of goods and materials across the US and much of Asia do. -
- Darras
- Member Since: 16 May 2020
- Location: Inverness
- Posts: 863
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It’s a love ‘em or loath ‘em post with plenty of positive and negative anecdotes.
When you’ve been bitten, several times by the unreliability of them then you tend not to go back for more of the same unless you’re a slow learner.
Personally, I won’t be sorry to see it go. Long term, I’d speculate if LR will still be about in 10 years or if it is, you’ll need pockets a lot deeper than 99% on here. You’re already seeing a reduction in the number of main dealerships and RRs in the showroom at £250k. Thats where they are heading. -
- DieselRanger
- Member Since: 12 Oct 2017
- Location: God's Country, Colorado
- Posts: 811
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I am quite happy with mine - it has been, bar none, the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned, and it's my first Land Rover. Its even the first model year of the D5. I didn't spend a penny of the extended warranty I bought expecting trouble. Mine was made in Solihull before they moved production to Slovakia.
I've driven GM, Audi (also quite reliable - B5 generation), Subaru, Volvo (multiple), Hyundai, Volkswagen,(Touareg T2 3.0 TDI, also quite reliable until the government made them buy it back), Mazda, Genesis, Polestar.... But the Land Rover has beat them all, save perhaps the Mazda 6, which it has probably tied.
One can say that even a broken clock is right twice a day. The wife asked when I might consider letting it go as it's nearly 10 years old. I said maybe as soon as the maintenance cost per year exceeds the car payment of something new. At this moment, that is going to be a long time from now. I just bought a 2026 BMW M2 6MT so hopefully, it's not until well after I've paid that off.
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