Discovery 2017

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  • 2B
    Member Since: 22 Oct 2020
    Location: hillybit
    Posts: 188
    Netherlands 
    2018 Discovery Sd4 (240) HSE Corris Grey

    Texas lawmakers propose to bill Tesla drivers..


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  • DieselRanger
    Member Since: 12 Oct 2017
    Location: God's Country, Colorado
    Posts: 677
    United States 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Silicon Silver

    As well they should. In the US, vehicle annual vehicle taxes are a state-by-state thing. In Texas, you basically only pay for the plates and sticker and the time for the government employee to process the paperwork - less than fifty bucks for passenger vehicles. Some states use vehicle registration fees as road use taxes, but in Texas and most states, road maintenance funds come from fuel tax, which of course Teslas and other EVs don't contribute to.

    Add to that, a Model X in its most basic configuration is heavier than a Ford F150 pickup (or a D5) at its maximum curb weight, and a fully loaded Model S is only about 100lbs lighter than a loaded F150.
  • 2B
    Member Since: 22 Oct 2020
    Location: hillybit
    Posts: 188
    Netherlands 
    2018 Discovery Sd4 (240) HSE Corris Grey

    So what do you guess you pay annually, through fuel taxation ?

    I pay € 2550 pa for roadtax. Plus (10.000km) € 800 fuel tax,

    currently on average € 1,40 a liter..

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  • DieselRanger
    Member Since: 12 Oct 2017
    Location: God's Country, Colorado
    Posts: 677
    United States 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Silicon Silver

    US Federal Government charges an excise tax of 18.4 cents per US gallon of petrol and 24.4 cents per gallon of diesel. This goes to support the national interstate system. States charge an average of about another 28 cents per gallon - Texas is 20 cents per gallon for both petrol and diesel. Colorado, where I live, is 22 cents/gal for petrol and 20.5 cents/gal for diesel, plus vehicle registration that is vehicle value based - 2021 registration for my 2017 D5 HSE Td6 was $630. California - unsurprisingly - has the highest fuel tax at 61.2 cents/gal for petrol and 86.9 cents/gal for diesel.

    By my calculations I drive about 12,000 miles per year at an average of about 21mpg combined, so that works out to around $260/year in fuel tax (diesel), so a total of about $890 this year, though probably less due to COVID work-from-home time. I figure my diesel has been somewhere around $2.80/gal on average over the last year - right now it's around $3.10/gal.

    Texas is about 2.8 times the area of the UK and has 683,000+ miles of 2-lane road the state must maintain (Wikipedia says the UK has about 262,000 miles of roads)...they kind of need every dollar they can get. Colorado alone has about 186,000 miles of roads, tall mountains, and hard winters, so our roads are crap.

    By contrast, energy cost per kWh here in the US is around 13.9 cents.
  • 2B
    Member Since: 22 Oct 2020
    Location: hillybit
    Posts: 188
    Netherlands 
    2018 Discovery Sd4 (240) HSE Corris Grey

    @Diesel Ranger

    Don't blame you, but I'm across from the small pond, east of the UK..

    Known as the Netherlands.. We have 137.000 km of roads..

    but the whole country is 200 mls x 100 mls and then even 30% of lakes are included..

    But we have 18M inhabitants and 7M cars, most paying around € 1000 pa in roadtax..

    Then on avarage € 1 tax a liter. Typical cars drive 10k a year, about 8oo liters, € 800 pa.

    So rough guess : € 1800 a car times 7M cars.. 12.6 Billion a year.. From that no more

    then 10 billion is used for roads.. .. cars owners are cash cows here..

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  • mordred1973
    Member Since: 08 Jan 2019
    Location: Northamptonshire
    Posts: 753
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Fuji White

    Having checked....UK fuel duty is £0.5795 per litre regardless of petrol or diesel, then VAT adds another £0.20 - 0.25 per litre, making up around £0.8295 per litre going to the Government out of the selling price of £1.23.

    Plus the road tax on my D5 (due to list price all D5 registered after April 2017 attract a higher tax) is £490 per annum, except year one where it is £2245.

    SO ignoring year 1 (it wasn't mine then) I am paying about:

    £490 annual road tax
    16,000 miles at 30MPG = 2431 litres of fuel, tax and duty = £2008
    Total £2,498 per annum

    If I then believe google there are just under 33million cars registered in the UK (excludes all commercial vehicles, trucks, busses etc which is at least another 5 million)

    An average car:

    Annual road tax £155 (car less than £40,000 list price)
    Average 10,000 miles per year @ 40mpg = 1135 litres = £950 in fuel duty
    Total cost per year £1100

    33m x £1100 = £36,300,000,000 in tax revenue excluding VAT on purchase price and servicing, spare parts etc.

    UK Government figures state they spend £10.94bn on roads per annum of that £36bn.

    Interesting comparison to the Netherlands, UK has 4.7x the cars, 2.8x the roads and spends 1.26x the amount on roads.

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  • 2B
    Member Since: 22 Oct 2020
    Location: hillybit
    Posts: 188
    Netherlands 
    2018 Discovery Sd4 (240) HSE Corris Grey

    @Mordred.

    I think in NL we deal with soggy soil, subsidence, need for foundations.
    So the cost for construction and maintenance is a bit higher then on
    mostly rocky soil.
    Also I think we have more wear & tear from trucks. In the UK that is
    mainly concentrated around the ports.

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  • DieselRanger
    Member Since: 12 Oct 2017
    Location: God's Country, Colorado
    Posts: 677
    United States 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Silicon Silver

    2B wrote:
    @Diesel Ranger

    Don't blame you, but I'm across from the small pond, east of the UK..

    Known as the Netherlands.. We have 137.000 km of roads..

    but the whole country is 200 mls x 100 mls and then even 30% of lakes are included..

    But we have 18M inhabitants and 7M cars, most paying around € 1000 pa in roadtax..

    Then on avarage € 1 tax a liter. Typical cars drive 10k a year, about 8oo liters, € 800 pa.

    So rough guess : € 1800 a car times 7M cars.. 12.6 Billion a year.. From that no more

    then 10 billion is used for roads.. .. cars owners are cash cows here..


    Ah, sorry, wasn't paying attention. But, generally points east of the US have fantastic roads - ours...not so much. You all may get a little more for what you pay - not that you get what you pay for, as IMO bureaucracy is bureaucracy and no government is good at getting value for their money.
  • FastLaneJB
    Member Since: 29 May 2021
    Location: Bedfordshire
    Posts: 157
    United Kingdom 

    mordred1973 wrote:
    Having checked....UK fuel duty is £0.5795 per litre regardless of petrol or diesel, then VAT adds another £0.20 - 0.25 per litre, making up around £0.8295 per litre going to the Government out of the selling price of £1.23.

    Plus the road tax on my D5 (due to list price all D5 registered after April 2017 attract a higher tax) is £490 per annum, except year one where it is £2245.

    SO ignoring year 1 (it wasn't mine then) I am paying about:

    £490 annual road tax
    16,000 miles at 30MPG = 2431 litres of fuel, tax and duty = £2008
    Total £2,498 per annum

    If I then believe google there are just under 33million cars registered in the UK (excludes all commercial vehicles, trucks, busses etc which is at least another 5 million)

    An average car:

    Annual road tax £155 (car less than £40,000 list price)
    Average 10,000 miles per year @ 40mpg = 1135 litres = £950 in fuel duty
    Total cost per year £1100

    33m x £1100 = £36,300,000,000 in tax revenue excluding VAT on purchase price and servicing, spare parts etc.

    UK Government figures state they spend £10.94bn on roads per annum of that £36bn.

    Interesting comparison to the Netherlands, UK has 4.7x the cars, 2.8x the roads and spends 1.26x the amount on roads.


    You almost need to put a Discovery into rock crawl mode to handle the massive potholes on some of our roads these days. I'm surprised I've not been pulled for drunk driving at some point weaving over the road to avoid the ones around here.
  • mordred1973
    Member Since: 08 Jan 2019
    Location: Northamptonshire
    Posts: 753
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Fuji White

    can't disagree, anything with 40 profile tyres must lost tyres and perhaps wheels on a regular basis over those potholes.

    2017 HSE Td6 with Capability plus pack, wade sensing, parking heater, armest fridge, head up display and surround cameras, 4 zone climate, black pack, privacy glass, adaptive headlamps, intelligent seat fold, deployable tow bar, side steps.
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