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- mordred1973
- Member Since: 08 Jan 2019
- Location: Northamptonshire
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Well funnily enough that's what the trainer told me too. They reported it too the LR garage and
they told them it's fine, and just keep driving it until it breaks, then it will get replaced
So, would you buy a car that has been used by LRE?
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- Labbix
- Member Since: 05 Mar 2018
- Location: Tanzania
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4500k to change pads (and rotors?), still too early for my liking... but indeed they have to work hard and such off road days are pure fun
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- Road Runner 2017
- Member Since: 14 Jan 2017
- Location: Scotland
- Posts: 2010
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- Road Runner 2017
- Member Since: 14 Jan 2017
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Labbix wrote:
4500k to change pads (and rotors?), still too early for my liking... but indeed they have to work hard and such off road days are pure fun
He never mentioned replacing the rotors, but they will probably be getting scored to bits as well.
So they most probably change those too after a couple of times changing the pads.
The cost will be pocket money to them, especially for the amount they charge for a full days course.
With regards to wheels and tyres, the latest James Bond film was filming there recently. They rang and asked for a few sets of wheels if they had any spare ones.
After filming, replaced the lot with brand new tyres the instructor said.
I wish I had neighbours like that
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- mordred1973
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- Labbix
- Member Since: 05 Mar 2018
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Here a good explanation from Porsche why they use the active rear diff lock:
Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV Plus) including electronic rear differential lock:
Standard in all 911 Turbo models: PTV Plus. The system actively enhances vehicle dynamics and stability and operates, in conjunction with an electronic rear differential lock, by varying the distribution of torque applied to the rear wheels.
It improves steering response and steering precision. At high speed and when accelerating out of corners, the rear differential lock, with infinitely variable torque distribution helps to ensure greater driving stability.
But what does that mean for the driver? Remarkable stability, easier handling and outstanding traction. As well as greater agility with precise steering and stable load transfer characteristics. What else? Unrivaled driving pleasure at every twist and turn.
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- Road Runner 2017
- Member Since: 14 Jan 2017
- Location: Scotland
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Mordred1973, can you not permanently disengage the rear diff from the infotainment system, if you don't require it?
At least you won't get the horrendous clunking noise, or does it auto engage/disengage, when slippage is detected, and can't be permanently disabled?
I forgot to ask the instructor, as when I took over, I could already see that the rear diff was already activated on the screen. It did help on the steep slippery rock climb I did, as I think a car without would have definitely struggled. (I have this footage on video and it's impressive with all 4 wheels spinning).
I was afraid that the driveshaft would break, as it was making such a noise. I jokingly told the instructor that I don't want to break the car, but he assured me it was fine, as that is what the dealer told him. He did not sound convinced either with the dealers advice. If it was my car I would be worried driving it tbh.
With regards to the Ex Demonstrater LRE cars, I would avoid anything with OV, OW, OE, and OY in Fuji or Yulong white.
We were using a 19 plate HSE which had only covered 4k. So it will probably get punted shortly, after taking the stickers off, and replacing or refurbing the wheels with new tyres and then advertised as a low mileage managers car. I noticed that several of the cars had badly scored alloys, due to all the rocks on the course. It made me cringe. Noticed a 19 plate FFRR having several large chunks of rubber gouged out from the tyre sidewalls as well.
Also done the offroad course at Knockhill a good few years ago using an Isuzu Trooper. The instructor told me the same. Cars will get the plastic trim bits over the arches replaced if damaged from branches etc, and any dents will be pulled out, before selling as ex demo cars which they are. A good workhorse I may add, but not a patch on the D2 that I had.
However ex demo in my mind suggests that a car is used on the road, for normal driving purposes, and not thrashed about offroad.
I would definitely be buying a cheaper set of alloys if I was taking the car offroad or steel wheels which are alot more durable and take a good battering.
I can see the appeal, say if a farmer buys a used D5 with the rear diff, etc and save several thousand in the process, as he will probably be throwing a few sheep in the boot, along with his wet muddy sheep dog, hence buying a dealer approved car, which he will most probably be using offroad too, makes far more sense than a brand new car.
However I dont think the kids or the Mrs would be impressed having a permanent sheep smell in the car, and even though the cars are made for this, the amount of punishment and abuse they suffer from the Experience days, is a no go for me.
Even brand new cars can break down on day 0, and am talking from experience.
End of the day, we all have different needs and requirements, and it's a hit or miss tbh.
And for those who are moaning about the lack of space in a D5, compared to a D4, I rest my case
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- mordred1973
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- Road Runner 2017
- Member Since: 14 Jan 2017
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Thanks Mordred, I learned several things from your post
Well that may well explain why a few people are putting up posts that their wheels are already blistering on their preowned car. Possibly has had a cheap spray and refurb, unbeknown to the owner.
I think on the V5 it should say who the previous owner is, as at least the customer will have a better idea of its history.
Yes i agree, ex managment cars are usually really well specced up with all the toys
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- mordred1973
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- Road Runner 2017
- Member Since: 14 Jan 2017
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Yes it's a shame, all going online and paperless nowadays.
Sadly making it easier for fraudsters though.
Read a while ago that the number of people not buying a tax disc has increased since they got rid of them.
I miss carefully ripping around the perforations, and replacing the disc.
Those were the days
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- DG
- Member Since: 27 Apr 2016
- Location: Surrey
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I've had 2 x D3 ...2 x D4 and now a D5 ...never needed a rear locker even on the most hardened terrain ...including following those with one. Ultimately it isn't required and IMO just a hat tip to those beardy woolly underpant wearing duffender lovers
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- mordred1973
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- Road Runner 2017
- Member Since: 14 Jan 2017
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Only rear locking diff I ever had was on the D1, which I inherited from my dad, which he had specced from new.
Never had the need to spec it on the 2,3,4 or 5.
Unless I end up living in the most desolate or remotest part of the planet, I may have a rethink and tick the option box on the D6
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