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  • Pcheaven
    Member Since: 06 Jun 2017
    Location: Tunbridge wells
    Posts: 378
    United Kingdom 

    Key Hacking and car theft - How secure is the D5

    I noticed to today that some poor soul on the FFRR forum had their range rover stolen from their drive, most likely through some sort of key hacking or transponder range extender to make the car believe the key was much closer and allow the door to be opened and the car started and driven away.
    After a few minutes the thieves disabled the tracker as well.

    http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic43492.html

    So, my question is - how secure is the new D5, can the key be hacked or the range of the fob transponder be extended to fool the car into believing the key is close by?
    23rd Jun 2017 8:15 am
  • PeterW
    Member Since: 07 Sep 2016
    Location: Norfolk
    Posts: 595
    England 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Corris Grey

    One of the reasons I use keyless entry & not the fob.
    Peter
    HSE 3.0 V6 Diesel Corris Grey
    23rd Jun 2017 10:13 am
  • Pcheaven
    Member Since: 06 Jun 2017
    Location: Tunbridge wells
    Posts: 378
    United Kingdom 

    cant the keyless entry be "hacked" with range extenders to fool the car on the proximity of the fob - have seen some examples on line of range rovers etc being fooled, just not sure i the D5 is more secure against such attacks. Its an easy way to steal a car Sad

    will look for way to disable keyless entry Smile

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-30...inute.html
    23rd Jun 2017 10:16 am
  • PeterW
    Member Since: 07 Sep 2016
    Location: Norfolk
    Posts: 595
    England 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Corris Grey

    Ah, interesting
    I was under the impression that keyless is more secure than using the fob, because the signal can be copied easier? but I'm no expert.
    Peter
    HSE 3.0 V6 Diesel Corris Grey
    23rd Jun 2017 10:34 am
  • PeterW
    Member Since: 07 Sep 2016
    Location: Norfolk
    Posts: 595
    England 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Corris Grey

    Considering all above

    Would it be more secure using the Landrover App to lock the car ?
    Peter
    HSE 3.0 V6 Diesel Corris Grey
    23rd Jun 2017 11:34 am
  • jimbg
    Member Since: 23 Jun 2016
    Location: Devon
    Posts: 1472
    United Kingdom 

    Until they learn how to hack that! Rolling with laughter
    23rd Jun 2017 11:42 am
  • PeterW
    Member Since: 07 Sep 2016
    Location: Norfolk
    Posts: 595
    England 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Corris Grey

    Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter

    Not sure I should be laughing Jim Very Happy
    Peter
    HSE 3.0 V6 Diesel Corris Grey
    23rd Jun 2017 11:47 am
  • winger
    Member Since: 19 Mar 2017
    Location: Somerset
    Posts: 205
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Aintree Green

    I suspect that the range of the key fob can be "extended" to allow the keyless entry to work if the key fob is out of range of the car. However, the key fob does need to be pretty close to a point where the chappie with the criminal intent can get his receiver. In other words, don't leave keys close to a door or on a window cill where they can be seen. What is not clear to me is how this continues to work once the car has been opened, started and knicked, unless LR's own security regarding re-keying vehicles is being hacked. Only LR dealers have the software, in theory, activated to re-key - anyone can get hold of the diagnostic software, but that facility is not available to third-party users.

    If you are concerned, disable the keyless function. That, though, won't stop the cloning of the signal from the key fob when you press the button. But that is a different issue, and really only allows someone to open the car, not start it, as the key fob is still required to actually start the engine.

    Long and short, it is not that straightforward.
    23rd Jun 2017 12:12 pm
  • jimbg
    Member Since: 23 Jun 2016
    Location: Devon
    Posts: 1472
    United Kingdom 

    No, I have a feeling it will not be too long before it happens. Big Cry

    Just imagine if a hacker gets into the central system controlling this, who knows you may see hundreds of LR's unlocking all at once! Rolling with laughter
    23rd Jun 2017 12:14 pm
  • S2bear
    Member Since: 27 Mar 2017
    Location: London
    Posts: 48
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Corris Grey

    Not sure how that would work as

    Mine wouldnt' start and I had the key !
    27th Jul 2017 11:59 am
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