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- Dangerdave
- Member Since: 15 Feb 2017
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I won’t, the oil dilution problem doesn’t exist in a 2lt as it does with a 3lt. Balancer shafts isnt a problem associated with it either. I am happy, but I understand you probably regret the purchase of your 3lt, but I am sure your one will be fine, chin up.
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- Hauser
- Member Since: 31 Jul 2018
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That's actually not correct buddy.
I own a 2.0L Ingenium Diesel (which is in my DS). So I did a lot of reading (and oil testing later).
There is a good chance for almost every 2.0L Diesel Ingenium build so far to develope problems with it's balance shafts (up to VIN 039409 in Disco 5). Look up Topix N128 for details (or see the image attached).
As to the oil dilution issue: I know the D5 Ingenium does not suffer from this. And for me it's not an issue either. Because my daily driving style allows for complete regeneration cycles. My DS proofs it, so I had no worries to take the 3.0L diesel.
But that's not what me mentioning the oil analysis was about. The Ingeniums (again all of them!) have a significantly higher amount of wear metal in their engine oil. With significantly higher I am talking about an average of 224 ppm where other diesel engines have an average of 43 ppm.
And that's actually the reason I chose the Lion over the Ingenium when getting my D5.
And I am very happy with that decision.
Greets,
Hauser
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- DG
- Member Since: 27 Apr 2016
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I know it was a big problem on the DS ...particularly the 180 version. Thankfully my March '18 vehicle is well out of that VIN range (20k plus over in fact) ...but thanks for your concern
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- Hauser
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- Dangerdave
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- DG
- Member Since: 27 Apr 2016
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Hey Hauser .... All smiles from me ....even if the engine disintegrates into a molten river of fire on the M25
I have a 3 year warranty after which I will hand them my motor back to them with whatever potential, possible, maybe issues for someone else to worry about.
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- Hauser
- Member Since: 31 Jul 2018
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Again, very good or even perfect.
But others might want to keep their car and therefore don't have the luxury of ignorance.
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- DG
- Member Since: 27 Apr 2016
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Very true and of course I sympathise
....do we know how many Disco 5 owners have been affected by this problem? ..not seen any reports here
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- Dangerdave
- Member Since: 15 Feb 2017
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None of its ignorance, most here know of the issues surrounding the engines, be it the 2lt or 3lt. I’ve had other LR products that have been susptable to oil dilution etc, but the present 2lt vehicle isn’t effected. However, the jury is still out on the 3lt one to the degree I wouldn’t touch it personally, but hey, we are all different and you will have made your choice based on what you read as I did. -
- Hauser
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Probably because none of them got their oil testet yet.
Over at the Disco Sport Forum, every single tested engine has shown this issue. Doesn't matter if 150/180/240 HP.
Greets,
Hauser
P.s. Getting another oil sample of my DS tested next week. Fingers crossed!
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- Hauser
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Dangerdave wrote:
None of its ignorance, most here know of the issues surrounding the engines, be it the 2lt or 3lt. I’ve had other LR products that have been susptable to oil dilution etc, but the present 2lt vehicle isn’t effected. However, the jury is still out on the 3lt one to the degree I wouldn’t touch it personally, but hey, we are all different and you will have made your choice based on what you read as I did.
Hi Dave,
Again, I am not talking about the oil dilution issue. I know it's potentially there for the 3.0 L diesel, because of the loose coupled DPF. And on the other hand not there for the 2.0 L because of the close coupled DPF. BUT that issue is linked to the driving style of the owner. For me, it's just not there. I tested my oil and did not have an extra oil change. So I don't need to worry, about it. Others might be and should be aware of this issue. But as I said, it's not what I was talking about and I didn't bring it up.
What I am talking about is the driving shafts and engine wear issues, as described above.
The "luxury of ignorance" was aimed at DG, because he really is in a position where he simply can ignore what's happening to his engine. (I admit, it was a bit provoking, but it still is true. It is a "luxury" position to be in, when you just can ignore what's potentially going on. )
One more thing: Everything we all have said here can be wrong for the new MY19 engines. They have been reworked quite a bit. For example I don't know the locations of the DPF in those engines yet.
Greets,
Hauser
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- DG
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Oil tested for what dilution ? or balancer shaft wear?
Not heard of a 2.0 D5 with either yet ...it's been out for sometime now -
- Hauser
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- DG
- Member Since: 27 Apr 2016
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Has anyone with a 2.0 D5 reported engine wear ? Not seen any myself ...although I appreciate that due to thermodynamic entropy ...all engines will eventually wear out ...pretty much like everything in the universe -
- Hauser
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Well as I said, peobabably no one did an oil test yet. Anyway, it's the same engines. So why wouldn't they be effected when working within a D5?
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