Discovery 2017

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  • RyanRC
    Member Since: 05 Apr 2017
    Location: Connecticut
    Posts: 76
    United States 

    The best way I might answer that is I have to deal with a little bit of everything.

    I mostly drive a highway to work and it's fairly smooth, but can be windy and for part of the year I am on it early enough that its dark. Then from that I take a fairly long a really rural road that is a little slower but just about the same.

    For the rest, the roads can run from stuff like that to really will just beat the crap out of the tires as they are so bad roads in town and for my in town roads you can sit just about at any light and see 3 more in every direction there are so many. Put it this way, years ago when I drove a van for work and in that, I would get about 10k out of my brakes and went through 3 transmissions in 65k.

    Thankfully my current job doesn't require that mess.

    The summers get hot and very humid, the winters can get severely cold and run the gamut from wet to dry snow, and a good amount of black ice at the right times of the year.

    Despite all that the worse part I might even describe around here though is we must have the largest group of the most stupid but just as much really rich and rude and aggressive drivers than any where as if one of them isn't sitting in the middle of an intersection with 5 cars behind them just pondering where they feel like going next, you have one right behind you ready to drive right over your car.

    Put it this way, about at least 2 to 3 days a week the slower windy road I take and even at 6 in the morning, I have to pull over anywhere from 1 to 4-5 times just to let someone pass me as if I don't they are 3 inches from my bumper pushing me to go twice the speed limit (screw them let them get the ticket).

    Oh I guess last to describe is that is not impossible you may have to dodge a deer or 2 or something else just as potentially damaging over the course of a year...one time I had to swerve to miss a complete propane grill that bounced out of the back of a pickup I was right behind as some genius thought it was good enough to just pop it in the bed without a single tie-down and go on the highway with it.

    So really to describe it, over the course of a year I can driving at any time through any conditions or roads that can be a real mix of any and every weather condition type there is, all along with being in full time defense and offence mode at the same time.

    Then through all that the thing is my job pretty much works where I have to be able to get in no matter what the weather is and even if the snow is so bad the state closes the roads.

    Which to some degree is one of the big reasons I am going for a Land Rover too as I really want to be able to get through just about anything.

    So for me really the most durable and most gripping tire is what I would want, with then too as much drivability as that can allow. But if I had to make the choice between the two, I would have to lean to the durability and grip I suppose but I could never take away to much drivability...probably would say that would be a 40/60 to 35/65 mix.

    So for me I was really hoping for something in that area as at least from the looks, the factory tire look to be perhaps something more in just the opposite way.

    Anyway, don't meant to make such a long story out of your question, but just thought I would paint as good of a picture as I could.
    7th May 2017 10:57 pm
  • Huxey
    Member Since: 18 Apr 2017
    Location: Fredericton
    Posts: 67
    Canada 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Carpathian Grey

    That is the most thorough answer to a question I have ever seen. Laughing

    I'm looking for A/T tires for the three or four times a year in travelling woods roads to go to isolated salmon pools.
    HSE Lux TD6 Carpathian Grey, 20" Black Pack + loaded with options.
    Previously: 2011 BMW X5 MSport 35i Carbon Black
    12th May 2017 11:24 pm
  • RyanRC
    Member Since: 05 Apr 2017
    Location: Connecticut
    Posts: 76
    United States 

    Hello Huxey

    Is funny as ever since I read your OP, over the past few weeks it has become a tiny bit of obsession of mine to try to find something for when I get a D5 as just like you have so well noted, sadly with the sizes the D5 comes with there are so few options for what we both are looking for. So lately I have much more been looking at the tires on trucks I run across and just happened to walk by a Ford 150 Raptor that was in the parking lot of my building where I work this past week and saw the BFG’s you had talked about and said, not that looks like a great best of all worlds tire and as well guessed Ford agrees as they put them on it from the factory, so I went to the PC to look into them.

    As I was at work I didn’t have access to your post so kinda forgot you had even talked about just this tire so when I then found the smallest 20” wheel they came in of 275/55/20, I started comparing them to the two sizes via tiresize.com the D5 could come with, and it might be tight, but I agree that they might fit.

    If I'm reading things there right, it’s really is only about ½” taller to the wheelwell then the taller of the two LR ones, and then just the same width as the smaller one. But perhaps when put together that’s just too much.

    All in all I don't have much experience with these sites as to what they say can or cannot fit, so perhaps their right when they say it won't fit, or just being conservative and or only willing to go with factory sizes?

    Anyway my next step is to bring all this to my tire contact and see what he has to say.

    Btw, I had a long talk with him a couple of weeks ago about the speed rating thing and his opinion was one, they make a much bigger deal out of this in Europe as reason being they just have so many roads you are allowed to go much faster on, but as far as how safe it is to drive the car, that under just about all normal on road and even off road conditions you would be just fine.

    In other words, for you personally on what might happen the risk is low, but he did agree that depending on an insurance company if you ever did get into an accident and they could somehow use that to say the lower tire rating was at fault for some or all of the reason or damaged, they could use that as a good excuses not to pay, especially if it was one where things involved another driver and their company having to pay you.

    Basically he said it comes down to the fact that the last thing most insurance companies want to do it pay out, so they will try to fine anything they can to use as an excuse not to.

    So essentially that is where your real risk is.

    So guess the point here is, if you go with a lower rating, just be sure never to get into any kind of an accident. Rolling Eyes

    Anyway, in getting back to the tires. The more I think about it I have started to consider if the BFG is really just too aggressive for street driving. Yes its looks really cool and we (or at least me) all want to do some off-roading with the D5, but really just how much of our total mileage is going to be that (?) and so in finally getting a chance this morning to look through at least what is listed on Tirerack.com for that size…I think that Yokohama tire you listed looks like the best choice.

    For me I know my tire contact has recommend the brand to me a few times for my Blazer as he said it’s a really quality brand and one the company stands behind well too, but and not to sound none PC, I just could not bring myself to put them on my US truck.

    But in the end if that is really the best (and really only) thing I could put on the D5, then it makes it a pretty simple choice.

    Anyway, sorry for so much of another long post, but just will close by saying that if you do decide to go with these, I would be very interested to hear how you made out.

    As well when I get the chance to see my tire contact over the next few weeks, I’ll give you a update as to what he says.
    14th May 2017 2:37 pm
  • Arslanoff
    Member Since: 03 Aug 2017
    Location: Prague
    Posts: 140
    Czech Republic 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Carpathian Grey

    Huxey wrote:



    Hi guys. A quick update for those interested. I've done a little research and so far the Yokohama Geolander A/T G015 seems to be a good blend of on-road manners with modest off-road capability. And the 275/55R20's are "H" speed rated (210km/hr) which is the closest I can find to the recommended "W" rated (270 hm/hr) recommended by JLR. Most A/T tires are R and S rated, with a scattered T. I believe they will fit the D5.
    Cheers


    I have also started to look something better for offroad for the next season. I like the look of the Yokohama Geolander A/T G015 tyres
    But they have a low rating in reviews in Wet and Snow braking, very low wear resistance (about 20 000 km )
    autobild.de recommended them only with restrictions and gave a very low rating.
    https://www.autobild.de/artikel/ganzjahres...16809.html
    I think with caravan pulling both wear resistance and braking will turn to the dangerous limits of the tyre.
    Land Rover Discovery 5 HSE Luxury Td6 in Carpathian Grey
    16th Nov 2018 11:24 am
  • DieselRanger
    Member Since: 12 Oct 2017
    Location: God's Country, Colorado
    Posts: 766
    United States 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Silicon Silver

    BFG T/A KO2 seem to be the preferred all-terrain, all-weather tire, but they are expensive.

    I like Cooper tires for the value - my Discoverer AT3's are great off-road and give very good on-road handling, but winter traction is poor - I believe the ATP may be a better all-around choice if you don't get deep cold and frequent snows.

    And like the KO2, the Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure with Kevlar is a superb off-road tire, but you must get the pro grade version to get the 3PMSF (i.e., severe snow) rating, and that version is very heavy and will impact ride quality and fuel economy more.

    All are available in 275/55-20 XL, Which works well on my D5 - no rubbing in any ride height on my AT3's.
    16th Nov 2018 1:54 pm
  • Arslanoff
    Member Since: 03 Aug 2017
    Location: Prague
    Posts: 140
    Czech Republic 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Carpathian Grey

    Good to know 275/55 works good for the Disco.
    General GRABBER AT3 are in the original size 255/55 R20 110H XL
    Also 255/55R20 110Q XL are Wrangler DuraTrac GOODYEAR
    I like most BFGOODRICH 275/55 R 20 ALL-TERRAIN T/A KO2 but the price is 30% more in comparison
    Land Rover Discovery 5 HSE Luxury Td6 in Carpathian Grey
    16th Nov 2018 3:33 pm
  • simonh
    Member Since: 02 Apr 2017
    Location: Shropshire
    Posts: 1002
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Sd4 (240) HSE Farallon Black

    After using both Grabber AT. AT2 and then Duratrac's I would personally always go for the Duratrac. Its a great all round tyre and superb in snow and mud. Never really had any issue with the D4 handling on wet or dry roads (its not a sports car after all).

    Managed nearly 50K miles on them also.
    Velar HSE D240 - MY19
    Served by the excellent Shukers Land Rover of Ludlow - 10 Land Rover’s and 20 years of amazing customer service.
    16th Nov 2018 3:38 pm
  • Labbix
    Member Since: 05 Mar 2018
    Location: Tanzania
    Posts: 955
     

    Yep, me too, and equal mileage with the duratracs. GGrabber were not good in rain, but maybe the AT3 are different
    16th Nov 2018 4:07 pm
  • Arslanoff
    Member Since: 03 Aug 2017
    Location: Prague
    Posts: 140
    Czech Republic 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Carpathian Grey

    For those who wants something more like Yokohama I have found that Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure with Kevlar are available in 275/55 R 20 and they turned out to be the best in braking distance by the Drive Out Magazin



    Test link http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-...e-Test.htm
    Land Rover Discovery 5 HSE Luxury Td6 in Carpathian Grey
    16th Nov 2018 5:00 pm
  • simonh
    Member Since: 02 Apr 2017
    Location: Shropshire
    Posts: 1002
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Sd4 (240) HSE Farallon Black

    Not available in 255/55/R20 Sad

    Reviews seem good too.
    Velar HSE D240 - MY19
    Served by the excellent Shukers Land Rover of Ludlow - 10 Land Rover’s and 20 years of amazing customer service.
    16th Nov 2018 5:28 pm
  • Arslanoff
    Member Since: 03 Aug 2017
    Location: Prague
    Posts: 140
    Czech Republic 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Carpathian Grey

    275/55 r20 should be fine, it is only 1 cm higher and 2cm wider. Almost no difference.
    Land Rover Discovery 5 HSE Luxury Td6 in Carpathian Grey
    16th Nov 2018 5:52 pm
  • simonh
    Member Since: 02 Apr 2017
    Location: Shropshire
    Posts: 1002
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Sd4 (240) HSE Farallon Black

    Ok. So won’t affect anything ?
    Velar HSE D240 - MY19
    Served by the excellent Shukers Land Rover of Ludlow - 10 Land Rover’s and 20 years of amazing customer service.
    16th Nov 2018 6:35 pm
  • DieselRanger
    Member Since: 12 Oct 2017
    Location: God's Country, Colorado
    Posts: 766
    United States 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Silicon Silver

    I run 275/55-20 on mine and it's fine. Kevlar will make the tire heavier and the sidewall stiffer, but the slightly taller sidewall mitigates some of the harshness the OE Goodyear Eagle F1's had. I ran the AT Adventure with Kevlar on my Touareg and they were amazing.
    16th Nov 2018 7:15 pm
  • Arslanoff
    Member Since: 03 Aug 2017
    Location: Prague
    Posts: 140
    Czech Republic 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Carpathian Grey

    simonh wrote:
    After using both Grabber AT. AT2 and then Duratrac's I would personally always go for the Duratrac. Its a great all round tyre and superb in snow and mud. Never really had any issue with the D4 handling on wet or dry roads (its not a sports car after all).

    Managed nearly 50K miles on them also.


    Found out that Land Rover Experience Discovery 5 cars use 255/55R20 110Q XL Wrangler DuraTrac and Goodyear is an official partner of JLR. Duratracs were also used in the RRS Dragon Chalange. That is why the size of Duratracs perfectly fit the Disco 5 wheel size 255/55R20 110Q XL
    I think I will stop on them, only the speed index is 160km/h which is quite low.


    Last edited by Arslanoff on 17th Nov 2018 11:28 am. Edited 1 time in total
    Land Rover Discovery 5 HSE Luxury Td6 in Carpathian Grey
    16th Nov 2018 9:31 pm
  • DieselRanger
    Member Since: 12 Oct 2017
    Location: God's Country, Colorado
    Posts: 766
    United States 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Silicon Silver

    I prefer the taller sidewall in the 275/55-20 for off-roading - not an issue as much in mud or snow, but on rocky trails the extra sidewall gives a little more flex and resilience against impacts. My Coopers are only 3 lbs heavier per tire than the OE Goodyear F1's, so ride quality isn't impacted that much. I think anything with Kevlar will me more like a 5lb penalty.

    Will have to give the Duratracs a thought next...getting some Hankook iPike snows put on shortly.
    16th Nov 2018 9:46 pm
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