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  • B16 KJR
    Member Since: 24 Jun 2016
    Location: Rosyth
    Posts: 62
    Scotland 

    So Jamies SE is heavier than your HSE? Seems a bit odd?
    30th Mar 2017 9:45 pm
  • J77
    Member Since: 07 Jun 2016
    Location: Fife
    Posts: 1008
    Scotland 

    It's safe to say from our forum laboratory tests it's between 2300-400kg Laughing
    18MY Velar R-Dynamic SE D240 Fuji White
    30th Mar 2017 9:47 pm
  • neilk
    Member Since: 12 Aug 2016
    Location: Wokingham
    Posts: 137
    United Kingdom 
    2018 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Loire Blue

    Very strange, just double checked and that is what the V5 says for mass in service.
    30th Mar 2017 9:48 pm
  • J77
    Member Since: 07 Jun 2016
    Location: Fife
    Posts: 1008
    Scotland 

    You sure LR put the 3.0ltr in yours Rolling with laughter
    18MY Velar R-Dynamic SE D240 Fuji White
    30th Mar 2017 9:50 pm
  • neilk
    Member Since: 12 Aug 2016
    Location: Wokingham
    Posts: 137
    United Kingdom 
    2018 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Loire Blue

    J77 wrote:
    Namib Orange must weigh more Laughing


    Or the cut out for the curry hook saves a lot of weight Very Happy
    30th Mar 2017 9:51 pm
  • J77
    Member Since: 07 Jun 2016
    Location: Fife
    Posts: 1008
    Scotland 

    We've solved it, it's the curry hook Thumbs Up
    18MY Velar R-Dynamic SE D240 Fuji White
    30th Mar 2017 9:58 pm
  • neilk
    Member Since: 12 Aug 2016
    Location: Wokingham
    Posts: 137
    United Kingdom 
    2018 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Loire Blue

    Be back in a minute, it is quite difficult to count your cylinders in the dark. Rolling with laughter
    30th Mar 2017 9:59 pm
  • Road Runner 2017
    Member Since: 14 Jan 2017
    Location: Scotland
    Posts: 2010
    Scotland 
    2018 Discovery Si6 HSE Lux Santorini Black

    B16 KJR wrote:
    Road Runner 2017 wrote:
    Glad your vans alot more stable after your lab test. Just an after thought, not sure if anyone has mentioned this but the D4 is a heavier car than the D5, as we all know, so possibly that 1/2 tonne extra weight helped the D4 make it a better towing vehicle than the D5. If that's the case then slimming down the D5 has been a bit of a design hiccup when it comes too towing but if this is the case surely it should have been factored into the equation Shocked


    That was the very point I raised when the details of the D5 were first 'leaked' Whistle



    Hi there sorry about that, hence I asked the question as I could not remember it being mentioned??

    Well you may possibly be right. I have towed with allsorts and basically found the heavier the car the more stable it is, plus having permanent AWD/4WD was also a major advantage, as is a more powerful engine.

    The lighter cars were alot less confidence inspiring I can assure you. My Citreon Berlingo van is a nightmare too tow with especially as it's FWD and is light as a feather. It has virtually no weight in the back at all, and towing a full trailer is a bit hairy too say the least, swinging like a pendulum. I found loading the van up fully, helped stabilise the pendulum motion considerably.

    Far better was my ford transit which was RWD plus it was alot heavier than the Citroën and it barely suffered from the trailer ever swinging.

    The best I had too tow with was the Ford transit connect which was AWD, alot more surefooted than the Citreon and transit put together.

    Anyway no issues towing with the D4 or Subaru ever. Thumbs Up

    So am planning too take the D5 with deployable towbar out on Sunday, along with the car trailer loaded up and see how it handles.

    Once I get my car next week I will do the exact same run, in my car too see if there is a difference as I have a fixed tow bar.

    Plus I was thinking I could use the Go Pro and post the results on the forum so we can see if there is a comparison between the handling and if 1 towbar types better than the other, which I highly doubt.

    The one thing I have noticed is that with the deployable is that the only way that you can make the trailer level is too use the cars suspension, as the trailer sits at an angle ie it's pitching upwards, whereas with the fixed, height adjustable you can lower or raise the ball height manually, hence making the trailer/caravan level which again will be influential too its handling characteristics.

    Just a pity we can't get Top Gear too do these tests Laughing


    Last edited by Road Runner 2017 on 31st Mar 2017 11:26 am. Edited 2 times in total
    30th Mar 2017 10:16 pm
  • Russell
    Member Since: 26 Jun 2016
    Location: Lydd
    Posts: 1104
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Td6 First Edition Namib Orange

    From LR D5 hand book


    Variant Vehicle weight from (kg) Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW)¹ (kg) Gross Train Weight (GTW)² (kg)
    2.0L diesel - 5 seat vehicles - 177 kW. 2 115 2 940 6 440
    2.0L diesel - 7 seat vehicles - 177 kW. 2 115 3 100 6 600
    2.0L diesel - 7 seat vehicles Eco - 177 kW. 2 115 3 000 6 000
    2.0L diesel - 5 seat vehicles - 132 kW. 2 105 2 870 5 870
    2.0L diesel - 7 seat vehicles - 132 kW. 2 105 3 050 6 050
    2.0L diesel - 7 seat vehicles Eco - 132 kW. 2 105 2 985 5 985
    3.0L diesel - 5 seat vehicles. 2 230 3 050 6 550
    3.0L diesel - 7 seat vehicles. 2 230 3 170 6 670
    3.0L petrol - 5 seat vehicles. 2 155 2 990 6 490
    3.0L petrol - 7 seat vehicles. 2 155 3 170 6 670
    ¹ The maximum permissible weight of the vehicle, including passengers and load.

    ² The maximum permissible weight of the vehicle and braked trailer, including their respective loads.
    Namib Orange 1st Edition with black roof and wheels.
    Privacy, tow bar, drive pack, surround camera, heated front & rear seats, auto dim door mirrors, side steps, remote Pro, RSE, arm rest fridge dash cam front and rear.
    31st Mar 2017 5:56 am
  • fisherman
    Member Since: 11 Oct 2016
    Location: Hornchurch
    Posts: 94
    United Kingdom 

    There are quite a few of the guys on here tow horse boxes which laden come up to 3500kg without any problems behind their D4's. The same with diggers and the like, these weights are way above the D4 weight yet stability has never been questioned before. I don't see why the D5 towing over it's own weight should be a problem either. There is a recommended limit for inexperienced towing of 85% by the Caravan Club but who came up with that is anyone's guess. They go on to say that experienced towing can go up to 100% of kerbweight. I have towed all kinds of weight in my time but rarely have towed over 100% due to the choice of car compared to the caravan. If the car is rated to 3500kg and I'm towing 2500kg, I'm well within the legal limit imposed which if stopped is the Gross Train Weight. Some think that there are different rules abroad, there aren't. GTW is the spec the authorities will check if you're stopped. They will also check if the van is overweight so be careful on this as it invalidates your insurance.
    Point being that LR consider the act of towing something which weighs a tonne more than the D5 as within spec, I would want to take it steady as it's when it all goes wrong that the extra tonne will make itself known. I would feel quite happy towing my 2500kg van behind my 2341kg or less D5.
    31st Mar 2017 7:45 am
  • B16 KJR
    Member Since: 24 Jun 2016
    Location: Rosyth
    Posts: 62
    Scotland 

    Quote:
    So am planning too take the D5 with deployable towbar out on Sunday, along with the car trailer loaded up and see how it handles.

    Once I get my car next week I will do the exact same run, in my car too see if there is a difference as I have a fixed tow bar.

    Plus I was thinking I could use the Go Pro and post the results on the forum so we can see if there is a comparison between the handling and if 1 towbar types better than the other, which I highly doubt.

    The one thing I have noticed is that with the deployable is that the only way that you can make the trailer level is too use the cars suspension, as the trailer sits at an angle ie it's pitching upwards, whereas with the fixed, height adjustable you can lower or raise the ball hence making the trailer/caravan level which again will be influential too its handling characteristics.


    That's one of the things that I will be checking next week as the towball height can have a big influence on the caravans handling. Pdes & Russell - do you guys have the electrically deployable or removable towbar ? If so, does your caravan sit level ?

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    31st Mar 2017 10:17 am
  • TheDoc
    Member Since: 22 Feb 2017
    Location: Cardiff
    Posts: 128
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Scotia Grey

    My new caravan along with the D5 has been dropped off with the Caravan dealer today, they're going to do some tests to make sure it's all stable and set up correctly before we head off later for a test weekend. Also asked if they could take some photo's of the set up for their promotional stuff. I agreed as it's bound to involve a free wash!

    Will let you know how we get on
    When I'm not in the operating theatre, I'm mountain biking, spending time with my family, running and socialising. I have a Discovery 5 HSE Lux with pretty much every option ticked. This is my first ever Land Rover. Been a rocky road with regards to reliability but we're getting there.
    31st Mar 2017 10:23 am
  • B16 KJR
    Member Since: 24 Jun 2016
    Location: Rosyth
    Posts: 62
    Scotland 

    TheDoc - Does your car have the electrically deployable towbar ? Can anyone tell me the height of the towball of the EDT ?
    31st Mar 2017 10:34 am
  • TheDoc
    Member Since: 22 Feb 2017
    Location: Cardiff
    Posts: 128
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Td6 HSE Lux Scotia Grey

    It does have an edt but I won't have the car back until tonight to measure for you
    When I'm not in the operating theatre, I'm mountain biking, spending time with my family, running and socialising. I have a Discovery 5 HSE Lux with pretty much every option ticked. This is my first ever Land Rover. Been a rocky road with regards to reliability but we're getting there.
    31st Mar 2017 10:35 am
  • Russell
    Member Since: 26 Jun 2016
    Location: Lydd
    Posts: 1104
    United Kingdom 
    2017 Discovery Td6 First Edition Namib Orange

    B16 KJR wrote:
    Quote:
    So am planning too take the D5 with deployable towbar out on Sunday, along with the car trailer loaded up and see how it handles.

    Once I get my car next week I will do the exact same run, in my car too see if there is a difference as I have a fixed tow bar.

    Plus I was thinking I could use the Go Pro and post the results on the forum so we can see if there is a comparison between the handling and if 1 towbar types better than the other, which I highly doubt.

    The one thing I have noticed is that with the deployable is that the only way that you can make the trailer level is too use the cars suspension, as the trailer sits at an angle ie it's pitching upwards, whereas with the fixed, height adjustable you can lower or raise the ball hence making the trailer/caravan level which again will be influential too its handling characteristics.


    That's one of the things that I will be checking next week as the towball height can have a big influence on the caravans handling. Pdes & Russell - do you guys have the electrically deployable or removable towbar ? If so, does your caravan sit level ?



    Removable here
    Namib Orange 1st Edition with black roof and wheels.
    Privacy, tow bar, drive pack, surround camera, heated front & rear seats, auto dim door mirrors, side steps, remote Pro, RSE, arm rest fridge dash cam front and rear.
    31st Mar 2017 10:42 am
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